Coming Off Mounjaro

The moment the scales stall, it’s so easy to assume you’ve “broken” your weight loss journey. I’m not interested in that story anymore, so I’m sharing what actually happened for me: losing weight on Mounjaro, protecting muscle with strength training, hitting a plateau, and then watching old cravings and self-sabotage patterns try to sneak back in when life got busy.

I talk through why I chose to stop increasing my dose, how I decided to come off Mounjaro, and what it’s like to lose weight without the jab. We get into the stuff that doesn’t fit neatly into a calorie tracker: stress, shame, emotional binge eating, and what low-quality sleep can do to your decision-making.

A huge breakthrough has been in the depths of the identity work. When I focus on becoming the healthiest and wealthiest version of me, I make different choices even when I’m not “motivated”. We also unpack scale fluctuations, why the number jumps around, and how to stop hitting the “fuck it” button when it’s not moving fast enough. Practical bits included: weekly meal planning to cut decision fatigue, simple staple foods, and why lifting weights in midlife feels like the anchor I’ve been missing.

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Transcript

Protecting Muscle While Losing Weight

Plateau Panic And Stopping Mounjaro

Finding Hustle And Health Support

Losing Weight Without The Jab

Stress Sleep Apnoea And Shame Spirals

Scale Fluctuations And The Facts

Emotional Eating And Identity Shift

Meal Plans Training Wins And Momentum

Who You Are Becoming Next

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We're never out there in the next strategy. If you've tried everything and still feel like something's missing, this is for you. I'm Emma Clayton and this is Real Talk where we stop searching outside of ourselves and start building from within. Hello and welcome back to the first proper episode of Real Talk with me, Emma Clayton, your host. I am so pleased to be here, and I invite you to grab a cupper, pull up a pew, come sit with me. I'm literally trying something new. I'm cold this morning, it just feels damp and grey out there. I couldn't be bothered to put the fire on, but I wanted to get this episode out of me because it's been on the tip of my tongue for so long. So I am sat on the sofa with my cup of tea. I have got a twinings glow tea, it's my favourite. I probably drink about three or four of these a day. And I've got a big furry blanket over me, the dog curled up next to me. I owe you an episode, an update on my whole body journey, weight loss, Manjaro, all the things. If you want the whole backstory, then go back to episode 98 and 99 that gives very much that whole decision-making process that I went through and the kind of first diary entry from my first couple of weeks, I think it was. Where people were losing a vast amount of weight in a very short amount of time, and a big chunk of that weight was also muscle, not just fat. So I didn't want that to happen. I enlisted the help of a personal trainer right from the get-go, and I'm actually going to have Sarah on here as a guest so that we can talk about what we did, what goals I went to her with, and and how she facilitated, you know, the next eight months or so of us working together to get me back in the gym, to get me back under the bar, to get me building muscle again, uh, as I also look to strip some fat. So I did do that, and actually, what happened around the summertime was I started to plateau and the weight loss wasn't happening anymore, but I was okay with that because I also knew, you know, logically, that if I was building muscle, then I was possibly not gonna see the effects of any fat loss, and I felt so much better. And interestingly, it was only after I plateaued for um two or three weeks that people started to mention, oh, you look like you've lost weight, and like not that that's what I was looking for, but it was just really fascinating to go. Well, actually, I haven't lost any weight in the last uh month or so, but I had lost this 33 pounds before that. But interestingly, then what happened was I started to notice some of my older unwanted behaviours and habits creeping in around the drive and desire to get my hands on chocolate and salty crisps and maybe even McDonald's, which I'm not proud about, but as we're all about keeping it real around here, I have to be honest with you, and as uncomfortable as that is at times, here we are. So I started to notice this coming in. It was kind of a busier time around summer. I was helping out my friends' food truck, which I always love to do. It's busier in the hut in our Airbnb, plus I had my clients that I was servicing, and it's just generally um a bit more of a sociable time, right, in the summer. So I had noticed it not creeping on, I plateaued, like literally was staying hanging out at the same weight. And at the same time as I was okay with it, because at least I wasn't gaining, I knew that once these habits crept in, if I didn't get a handle on it, it was likely to become out of control and I would potentially regain that weight, and I just wasn't here for it. So I decided in October to try seven and a half milligrams, which is one dose higher, and I absolutely hated it. So through November, I had the first symptoms. Well, I had symptoms at the very beginning, but they weren't drastic at all, they were totally manageable. And here I was sort of seven months in with gastric reflux and stuff like that. I couldn't lay on my back or my side at night, so I was laying on my front because it's the only way it was bearable. I was taking Gavascon. It was like this is ridiculous. So I just knew I wasn't gonna continue up the doses, I had to come back down to five milligrams, and then it was the kind of point where I thought, you know what? I actually think it served a purpose. Now I went on to Manjaro thinking it would be a longer term thing, but actually, with the increase in price in September and the fact I'd plateaued, I just thought, you know what, it's time to come off it, see what I can do on my own. And it was a very easy decision. I didn't plan to taper off, I just knew I was done. So I just thought for this final five milligram pen, I'm gonna eke it out over five to six weeks, take like less than one dose, which is not what they advised. So please do not take this as medical advice. Always seek a doctor if you are thinking about coming off your medication or starting. Anyway. Meantime, in November, I went to an event and I happened to get taken under the wing of a couple called Nat and Kat who live in Marbs. They are amazing nutritionists and personal trainers, which doesn't do them justice. They are known as Hustle and Health, and they are business partners as well as life partners. And I just really enjoyed their company. And chatting to Nat, she used to be 17 Stone. And if you imagine in your head, Shera, the cartoon character, that is what Nat now represents. So I think she really resonated with me, and likewise, I was able to at least have a conversation with her and know that she got where I was at and what I was struggling with, and it was at that point that I just knew I just knew that I was gonna work with them at some point. I didn't realise it was gonna be so soon, so I followed them off the back of that event and saw they were doing a five-day unleash her challenge, I think they called it, and so I joined, it was like 33 quid. I think I upgraded 70 odd quid to the VIP uh Voxer support as well. So I had Nat in my back pocket for the five days, and honestly, it was just brilliant. It was the kind of missing piece when we focus on health and weight, we tend to focus on nutrition and movement, like what we're putting in our mouth, and how regularly are we getting movement in. So the identity piece is kind of critical, and that's what Unleash Her was all about. Uh, I haven't done it justice there, we've just done another round actually, and it was even like more on point. And it's great because you get to explore your alter ego, like the future you that you're set stepping into, and start to embody the behaviours, the mindset, the self-talk, the standards of the version of you that has the body that you want, that has the health and maybe the wealth that you want. And if you've listened to any of my recent episodes, you'll know that going into my 50th year, which is still three years down the line, guys. I'm not there yet. I want to be the healthiest and wealthiest of my life, and you know, I was uh I would say 35. That was my last time that I was the healthiest and wealthiest, you know, earning a six-figure salary and um crossfitting three times a week, running. Um, I was on a high protein, high-fat diet. So yeah, it was that was the last time I was there, and I I want to be there again, but in a totally different way. I want to be there, you know, having run running my own business and just feeling success in a totally different way on my terms, right? Which is another thing that I always talk about. So after Unleash Her, they were launching Nourish Her, which was starting in the beginning of January, and I just knew that the timing was perfect and it was no coincidence that I needed their support. I wanted them in my corner to help me transition off of Manjaro, not titrate off the dose, but just stop Manjaro and start kicking into um weight loss on my own. So I felt like Nat really understood the challenges and the struggles that I'd had up until now with emotional binge eating. Um, Kat is absolutely brilliant with an elite high performance as a pro athlete, pro tennis player in the past. So I just felt like really well supported, and then they budded me up for the six weeks of Nourish Her with a lady called Tacita who has lost seven stone on Manjaro over the last two years. Uh, I believe the last year or so she's been working with Nat and Cat, and she's actually training to be a nutritionist and I believe a personal trainer to also join forces with Nat and Kat in Hustle and Health, which is super cool. So I not only had Nat and Cat through the programme, I had my buddy Tacita, who I'm also going to get to come on the show and speak to us about her journey because you know she's living, breathing proof of the fact that you can lose weight, a large amount of weight, be a very healthy size, be very fit and muscular, and totally change your life, maintain it, keep it off. She's coming off it, she is titrating off it as we speak. Um, so yeah, I I felt really supported, and the six weeks were so good. I don't think I've ever been in a program that was such good value for money. And they these girls know their stuff, they come from a very science-backed approach, but they also come from a lived experience, they get it, they get the struggles, they're not speaking from a pedestal, they really want you to win, and they've really just got your back. And actually, through that six-week process, I lost 16 pounds. So I had my last Manjaro jab, which was like a quarter of five milligrams on the 5th of January, and by the 16th of February, I'd lost 16 pounds, and I was so thrilled with that because this was now the next level, right? I'd lost 33 pounds with the help of Manjaro. Now, coming off it, I was doing it for myself, I was all by myself. And they were just launching into their six-month energized her mastermind, which is more of the same, but introducing the movement side of things and all the other lifestyle aspects that go with it, keeping an eye on your sleep and your um habit tracking and your journaling and stress levels and all that sort of thing. So I joined them, and with that comes like your all of your workout programs, and they recognised in me that I was not a beginner in the gym, that I had been working with a PT who had really been honing my uh technique. So my technique was good, my confidence was now up in the gym. I was happy going in on my own. So it was with a big heavy heart that I had a chat with Sarah and said, Look, I am I feel like we've done what we wanted to achieve here. We've got me back in the gym, back under the bar, back with the confidence to do it myself. Um, I'm really happy with the technique and the progress I've made with her, but I was gonna need to um focus on this new programme now and really go it alone. And she was very gracious about it, and like I said, she's coming on the podcast to talk about the work that we did do together. Um, because it was paramount to me being able to take the bold leap and commit to six months of support in this like higher level, higher capacity way that I'm doing with Nat and Kat. And yeah, I'm now six weeks in, and I have to confess that I have fallen off that frickin' wagon, that wagon that we create in our mind. And if it wasn't there to fall off in the first place, we might not even have that language for it. But I think what's happened for me in that six weeks since joining the mastermind is uh an increased amount of stress. Also, interestingly, my CPAP machine settings are off out of whack, and I can't get through to respiratory to get them sorted. So I'm not using my CPAP, and I don't think my sleep quality is as good as it was when I was using sleep uh CPAP. And if you're not aware, I have had a diagnosis of sleep apnea, which I'm pretty sure has massively improved since I have started to lose weight, but still the CPAP is there to ensure that you don't have apnea through the night and you don't risk you know not breathing in your sleep. So um a combination of low-quality sleep, even though I was getting the hours in, and high stress meant that I started to unravel a little bit and spiral a little bit out of control. So over the last six weeks I have struggled to get back into the plan and stick to it because uh my head has just been elsewhere. But the great thing is they're there to catch, they know the signs, right? They know when you're not turning up to calls, when you're not doing your reflection form, when you're not completing your food diary that probably something is going amiss, and they reach out and they say, Hey, how are you doing? What's going on? and there is no judgment. And I think I was so scared to show up to that first call and just admit that I didn't have my shit together that it took me two weeks to get on a call, and actually, when I did, I had this big release, and like all the tears came flooding out, and I shared what what was going on for me, and you know, I was met with only love, there was no judgment, and I think there was this realisation that the only person in that room that was judging me was me. The only source of my shame was my judgment of me, the fact that I didn't have my shit together, the fact that I haven't sorted my shit out after this long, and have re resorted to some old habits that you know are shame-fuelled because you know, they're not things that you want to share. You don't want to share how much you've spent on chocolate this month or McDonald's or um Diet Cokes when you hadn't done any of that for six weeks previous. So I I'm glad I went to that call when I did. I was really held with love. I had a massive release in terms of tears, and what that did for me was just take the pressure off this need to be constantly getting it right, to be constantly or perfectly following the plan. And I never consider myself a perfectionist, but I certainly have perfectionist tendencies in the sense of if I'm not following it 100% perfectly, I might as well be like a hundred percent off and like monumentally off the scale. So it's an that all or nothing mindset that I really need to crack, not the behaviours as such. So a lot of what we've spoken about in the couple of weeks since I've kind of come back in the room and got a bit more handle on what I'm doing is you know, what standards am I setting for myself? And some of my standards get to be around um the fact that actually like choosing well nutrition-wise is an act of self-love. Sticking to the plan is not about being perfect or all or nothing, it's about building that self-trust that when I say I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna bloody well do it, and from a place of I've got this, I've got this. So, in that time coming off um off plan, monumentally, shall we say, I have gained a few of those pounds. Um, I'm not I'm taking it very lightly, I'm not too bothered. So, the 16 pounds I've lost this year, I think I put on eight pounds, so half of it went back on, but already a couple of pounds have come back off. So I'm not I'm seeing it as part of the process, it's not linear, it's not down, down, down, drop the pounds, drop the pounds, drop the pounds. See the the chart going down. If I showed you my chart, it is very volatile, and even in the periods of weight loss of that first 33 pounds, I had days where I went up, and actually, what Nat and Kat have really helped me understand is you know, you could have a shit in the morning and lose four pounds, or you could not have a shit and look like you're four pounds heavier than you were the day before. So, kind of you have to get over the scales being the only measure of success here. You have to emotionally detach from the scales. Ideally, you would you would track it daily because you would start to see the fluctuations from a real logical perspective. Oh, I didn't drink enough water yesterday, or I ate more carbs, therefore I'm holding on to more water weight, which is why the scales are up£2,£3,£4. Um maybe it's yeah that you had a shit, a big shit in the morning, or maybe you're a bit bunged up, and that all contributes. We did this uh test where you stood on the scales in the morning with a full bottle of water, and then you got off the scales after measuring yourself, weighing yourself, drank the bottle of water, got back on the scales, and you're the same weight with an empty bottle of water, right? Because you just drank the water, therefore the water carries weight, and it's just like these little things that trick our mind into going, oh okay, maybe what I've always thought about you know putting on and gaining weight versus losing it is not actually it's not fat, right? You have to eat 3,500 calories above your maintenance calories over a week to put on a pound of fat. So those fluctuations are just bullshit, and like you need to keep an eye on them over time and track what you're doing and not be derailed by the number going up. I think that's the the other thing. It's like stop hitting the fuck it button every time it's not going in the direction you want it to, because that's not gonna help it go in the direction you want it to either, is it? And like this is all a note to myself, as much as it is sharing in the hope that it helps one of you listening. And I guess the thing that I want to say that I am really starting to grasp, and I've known about this for all the time that I've been coaching, and I guess I'm just becoming more and more of an embodiment of it, and still I don't have my shit together 100% of the time, is like how else can we be with our emotions, with the stress, with the anxiety, with the fear and the lack and the scarcity, with the anger and the disappointment and the frustration and the boredom, all of those unwanted, unpleasant emotions that are kind of below the midpoint level where you tip above it and it's like all the nice emotions, right? Anything below that, how do you be with that without reaching for food if that's what you've done? And I'm talking about food, but I know some of you listening will be like you don't necessarily resonate with the food so much. Don't reach for chocolate, but maybe you reach for the wine bottle, or maybe you reach for the laptop and go spend a shit ton of money that you haven't got on crap that you don't need because it fills a void. Maybe it's gambling, maybe it's sex, maybe it's drugs for you. Like we all have our thing, right? Mine happens to be food. Specifically cabbage chocolate and salt and vinegar crisps of any kind. Discos, uh Discos and Squares and Hula Hoops have been the most recent uh favourite, but also those co-op salt, sea salt and Chardonnay vinegar crisps. I don't know if you've tried them, but they are like spicy as fuck, leave your tongue feeling like it's burnt, but I can't get enough of them. Alcohol, however, I haven't had a drink since the day after Boxing Day when I had a migraine off the back of drinking a glass of um Bucks Fizz. So I was like, yeah, my body doesn't agree with alcohol anymore. I'm not drinking, I'm not drinking anytime soon. Now I've got some occasions coming up, my mum's turning 70 next week, we're away as a family. I know there's gonna be lots of booze around there, so I'll have a choice. And I'm not saying I'm never gonna drink again. I'm gonna say that actually it will be a considered decision whether or not I drink the alcohol knowing that it probably won't agree with my body and it won't like it, and I might suffer for it. Or I say I'm not gonna have it, I'm gonna have an alternative soft drink, and potentially take some slack from my family who are like, Why are you not drinking when it's your mum's 70th? At least raise a glass, you know. That's the kind of reality that we live in, isn't it? That's what we're up against generally. Um, but that's less of an issue to me. Put me, put Easter eggs in front of me, and I don't think I can make a choice still. Um, however, when I sit with my alter ego, with my future self, with this version of me that's the healthiest and wealthiest at 50, would she choose to partake in the Easter eggs or would she choose not to? I think I still would like to think I would be able to eat some of the chocolate and just know when to stop. Know when I've had the taste that's sort of satisfied that little itch and I'm not left wanting more. That's what ideally I want to get to. So if I want to get to there, I have to start making decisions now that are in alignment with that version of me to be able to get there. Does that make sense? This is what we're working with, guys. This is what the whole identity shift piece is about. This is a big part of the work that I do, and I'm saying I have not nailed it yet. I have nailed it in some areas of my life. For example, the gym. I now see myself as a gym goer. Uh since joining Energize Her with the six-month mastermind and um starting the new workout programme, I'm now I think we're week seven, and for the last four weeks, I've been to the gym four times a week. I've done two lower and two upper workouts, and I love it. And if I don't go for a couple of days, I feel like I miss it. And whilst I don't always want to go first thing in the morning, I get up and I go because it anchors me into my day. It gives me fuel for the rest of my day. It makes me want to come back and eat a really healthy, nutritious, high-fat, high protein breakfast because I've just worked my ass off in the gym. And it's still not like a sweaty, out-of-breath workout. It's like building muscle, it's like weightlifting. I love it, absolutely love it, and have found my thing. So, from an identity perspective, I see myself as a gym goer now, whereas I didn't 12 months ago. This time, 12 months ago, I hadn't stepped foot in a gym for years. Um, I didn't think I'd ever squat again because of my knees. I now am squatting 52 and a half kilos for three reps. No, five reps, sorry. I reckon I could get my 65kg squat back squat this week if it's a one rep max. Pretty sure I've got it in the tank. And that's from going a year ago and thinking that I didn't think I'd ever squat again, and I'm not going below parallel, I'm being sensible. I usually squat with a bench behind me, so that I've got that confidence marker in my mind as soon as I hit the bench, I'm straight back up again. Um, I know I've got low enough to do the full range of movement, you know. So, yeah, I encourage you as you listen to this to think about where's one area in your life, because we ain't gonna like cover it all at once, but what's one area of your life that you'd really love to change in terms of your habits or behaviours or your standards? Change and improve, right? Move towards the version of you that you would love to see in the world, and oftentimes what we do is we want to move away from pain. So I always used to say, I don't want to have knee pain, I don't want to have knee pain. It's awful walking around with a limp, I can't walk very far, I get infl inflamed by the end of the day of a a shift on my feet with adam or whatever. I'm like absolutely screwed. I I just was so stuck on the fact I didn't want to be in pain anymore. But what do you want? But of course I want to I want to breeze through an eight-hour shift and skip down the stairs at the end of the day. I want to be able to squat 65 kilos on my back. I want to build muscle in my leg that's gonna support my knees for longevity. Like I've got osteoarthritis, which is basically wear and tear. So they ain't gonna get any better necessarily, but what I can do is build strength around them that's gonna support them. And I have been knee pain-free since about May last year. Funny enough, since I started in the gym. So, you know, where in your life are you focused on what you don't want, what you don't like about how you move through this life, and how can you flip it so that you focus on that? Don't focus on what you don't want, focus on what you do want because that's gonna move you, or it's gonna enable you or force you to be thinking about decisions in them in the moment that are gonna move you towards that or keep you where you are, and then it becomes a choice that you are in control of making. So, what else do I want to say? I think what's working for me really well, and this isn't necessarily for everyone, but certainly is for me who likes a bit of structure, who likes to feel organised and take some of the decision fatigue out of my week, especially when it's busy or I'm I'm under stress, uh, is to sit down on a Sunday with my calendar and my meal plan, look at where I am, look at where Adam is, and then I'm very fortunate that in the Mastermind I mean we get to use Catbot, which basically tells us what meals to uh plan for the week. So I sit down with that and literally pencil to paper, map out our week, breakfast, lunch, dinner, then it also gives you a shopping list. I go on and I do the shop, it arrives on um the Monday morning, and I don't have to think about it then, and that's really serving me. So if I can just put all my trust and faith into the meal plan, I'm I'm halfway there. All I've got to do is just decide am I gonna prepare and cook what's on the meal plan or am I gonna go off piste? And it's when I go off piece that I know I'm not gonna be sticking to the plan. If I want to stick to the goddamn plan, I've just got to cook and put in my mouth what is on the plan. It's that simple, it just takes so much of the thought process out of it for me. That may be helpful for you. I am not big on meal prep purely because I I work a shift at Peckish at the moment on a Sunday, and that would be the day that I'd like to do meal prep. Sometimes on a Monday morning, I will boil a chicken, and that becomes my uh the chicken, the protein for my soups for that week. Um, I haven't done that for a little while actually, but that's definitely a favourite staple lunch for the throughout the the winter. And then another thing that I like to do is I've got a six muffin thing where I will make grated corgette, crumbled feta, and egg muffins. Like just mix it all up, put it in the muffin maker, and then I've got like one a day that act as snacks, really. Um, I can either factor it in as a meal or I can take it with me if I'm if I'm working with Adam, for example, I'll have my three meals, then I'll have my my egg muffins snack in the morning or whatever, and I get a little bit peckish. So, yeah, that's really working for me. And um, my Epps and baths, I have to have a few a week just to help with all the physical activity I'm doing. But I'm getting through my shifts with Adam. I work with him twice twice a month, so it's not a lot, but it's eight hours of hard graft. We're like digging and um shifting stuff and like mowing and uh up and down steps, a lot of steps are done in that shift, and I come home and I can't wait for my bath, but I'm not ruined like I would have been once upon a time. And I think there's also that day where I went in the gym and realised because I always worked in pounds, I realised that the£48 or£49 that I lost or whatever was like 20 kilos as I was putting 20 kilos on my bar to deadlift, and I was like, wow, I used to walk around with this on my body, it's heavy, it's a lot, and I'm not there anymore, and I'm not going back to that older version of me. Like, there is no going back to that younger version of you that was a slimmer weight, right? We don't want to go back anywhere, only forward. So if I can leave you with one parting thought, it's like who are you working towards being? Not saying that who you are today isn't perfect, isn't more than enough. You've always been more than enough, and you always will be as you are today. But if you want more from your life, if you want to feel healthier, more vibrant, more energized, if you want to be wealthier or have more experiences, more adventure in your life, more fun, what are you doing about it today to get that tomorrow or next month or next year or in three years like I am? Mine's a bit of a longer term game because I'm realistic about how long it's going to take. But as you can see, in a short space of time, since we last talked about this process, I've learnt a lot, and I can do something with that. I can continue to make the same mistakes, or I can go, oh, remember when I last fell off the wagon? This is what I learned about myself. So, how can I get myself back in the game sooner? And it's only in those moments that we flex that muscle, that identity muscle, and move towards who it is that we're becoming even sooner. So I hope you got something from this episode. If you did, as always, reach out on social media, let me know what you did. I love getting your messages to say, hey, I tuned in and loved this part, or I really this really landed for me. So hope you did get something. Stay tuned because we are doing a little series. Like I said, I've got Sarah my PT, she's gonna come on and talk to us about um all things strength training in menopause or in midlife and all sorts of health challenges that she's personally going through at the moment that I know will resonate as well. Um, I've got Tisita coming on, who is the lady that's acting as my buddy at the moment. She's training to work with hustle and health, but she's lost Seven Stone in the process of using Monjaro and becoming the fittest and healthiest of her life. I'm also going to ask Nat and Kat to come on as well to share their wisdom because honestly, these guys are they blow my mind every time. They're just so good, and I'm just so glad that I'm in their world and that I met them on that day. And that was brave enough to go to this event on my own as well, right? It's these rooms that you walk into sometimes that um are a little bit scary where the magic happens. So, anyway, I'm gonna stop talking, otherwise, I'll get into a whole other conversation. I've also got a wonderful lady called Sue Ella, who works with uh men and women, 40 plus, to help them turn around their health in a very natural way. I love the work that Sue does, so watch out for that. And I also had Juliet Carriman on. She was on the podcast when I did the whole Gaza Roundtable back in January 24, was that or 25? No, it must have been January 25. Um, Julia is an amazing healer and energy worker, and she helps you feel pleasure in your body, and we have a whole conversation about our own journeys with kind of reconnecting with our bodies and talking very openly and honestly in a very real talk way about what that's looked like from Toffee Wrappers under the bed to um you know it's finally feeling pleasure in our bodies again. So, a whole series coming up. Watch this space, let me know if you loved this, and thanks for being here. Please do share this show with anyone that you think might enjoy it. Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review if you feel called to do so. And in the meantime, I will see you next time. Take care of the video.